What happens to couples who threaten each other when it comes to divorce?

It’s an automatic response, which happens on a physiological level first.   What some brain researchers refer to as the “fight, flight or freeze” phenomenon is an automatic survival mechanism that surfaces in response to perceived danger.   The amygdala in the center of the brain detects threats and signals, which trigger a cascade of hormones like adrenaline and cortisol to prepare the body to fight back – or flee, or freeze or even mimic a “fawn” – blending quietly into camouflage wherever a hiding place can be found.   Heart rate and breathing speed up, and muscles tense to respond with immediate action.

As divorce researcher Judith Wallerstein once noted, stress like that over a short period of time is one thing; stress like that over a period of many months or years (which contested court divorces can often last) is another thing entirely – it becomes something which can cause permanent damage to both parents and children.

What else happens when these mechanisms are triggered?   Rational thought – the type of careful thought which could be used by couples to craft a successful future for the family – cannot be accessed because it has been blocked.

Human beings are more than machines, and we can’t control our automatic triggers.   But we can be smart enough to over-ride them.

How can couples manage those physiological responses and move forward into a hopeful and happy future?

The solution is an easy answer, but it takes hard work and the development of habits which will help lay a communication foundation for the future, as well as help children to last and thrive for a lifetime.  Developing habits of respect for one another take practice, and here is a short list that can be practiced by anyone:

  1. Don’t jump to conclusions.   Collaborative Attorneys, and Financial and Family Specialists see this so often.   Couples assume they know what each other will say, before the chance to say it has surfaced, or the reasoning behind it has been explained.  Each side needs the chance to be heard, and to say what won’t work for them – but that has to be followed up by suggestions that could work for everyone.
  2. Use descending tone.   In a Collaborative Divorce, it’s so important for a divorcing couple to each find their individual “voice” in speaking to their own needs, and the needs of their children.  When couples speak up for themselves, it’s always more effective than lawyers blathering on about what they believe their clients think and need.  But couples’ voices do not have to shout to be effective.  Statements can be simple, direct, pointed – but the energy behind the voice doesn’t need to wear anyone out or down.  And sometimes adding a simple “we” or “us” to the statement can become more effective – “it seems to me like we’ve always gotten stuck on that, but I really don’t want us to go there anymore”.
  3. Stay curious.   This is the hardest habit to develop when anyone is facing danger – and in divorce the dangers can be losing assets, getting stuck with mountains of debt from the cost of the process, and spending meaningful time with children.  Big stuff – huge, in fact.  But it is possible to keep an open mind.   The internal discussion can move from “I don’t see how this can ever work” to “I wonder if maybe we could get that solved” – that shift invites positive solutions into the discussion and makes all the difference in the world.

If you are contemplating divorce, can you develop habits of respect for one another?   It’s not easy, and in fact such habits tend to fly in the face of automatic physical impulses.   But in Collaborative Practice we see couples who do it, and do it well.   We want to see couples and families not only survive the process – we want to see them and their children thrive.  And we want to see them craft solutions created out of their own authentic voice.

Consider a start by changing your negative self-talk.   Ask yourself, “could we maybe create a better future for ourselves?”   That potential future won’t happen without staying curious and developing the habits needed to get there.

Judy Johnson
Collaborative Team Divorce Attorney
Judith _ h _ johnson @ Hotmail.com | 952-405-2015
collaborativedivorceminnesota.com

With more than 47 years in private practice, Ms. Johnson has built a respected career dedicated to helping families navigate legal transitions with clarity, dignity, and care.

She began her career in a mid-sized Minneapolis law firm where she was immersed in a broad general practice, gaining experience in real estate, civil rights, professional license defense, personal injury, juvenile and family court, criminal law, and probate. This diverse foundation shaped her comprehensive understanding of how legal issues intersect—ultimately guiding her toward a focus on family law and alternative dispute resolution.

After many years practicing contested litigation, Ms. Johnson transitioned in 2005 to Collaborative Team Divorce. This shift reflected her growing conviction that families benefit most from a “family systems” approach—one that prioritizes healthy adjustment for parents and children as they transition into two homes. Since then, she has devoted her work to collaborative practice, helping clients reach thoughtful, durable agreements outside of court. She remains of counsel with Speeter and Johnson in downtown Minneapolis.

“Revenge is a dish best served cold” is a popular saying which perhaps originated with Pierre Choderlos de Laclos, the French author of Dangerous Liaisons.    Typically, that phrase has meant that revenge planned in patience, over time, yields superior results.   However, as popular author James Kimmel, Jr., has noted in a recent book (The Science of Revenge, Random House 2025), that’s not how the human brain perceives it.

Revenge can exude immediate satisfying results to the human brain, which act chemically to produce a pleasurable effect.  Over time, this pleasurable result can become an addiction.   Because of the way the human brain is hard-wired, the immediate reward from revenge can become harder and harder to walk away from, even when the adverse long-term results become apparent.  For people who have been impacted by severe trauma in their childhood, this addiction can be even harder to overcome.   However, any form of perceived “grievance” can trigger the felt need for revenge, and such thought patterns may even be imagined, or be triggered the experience of others, instead of arising from personal damage or insult.

The “stop” mechanism which can protect human beings from the adverse impact of revenge is the frontal cortex – the part of the brain that can reason and inform – but that connection is not always enough t0 prevent bad things from happening.

In a divorce proceeding, the adverse effects can come from the length and cost of the process, the impact on children, the loss of income and liquid assets – the list goes on.

In Collaborative Practice, around the world, practitioners use the phrase “Resolving Disputes Respectfully” to describe their work.   Why is this important?   Is it just about wanting to appear “nice” and likeable to the Collaborative Professional Team?   Or to family or friends?   What’s behind this?

The act of offering respect – whether you think it’s deserved or not – is a way of working through the triggering of automatic defense mechanisms in the human brain which block conscious rational thought.   Once the financial data has been collected, the Collaborative Financial Specialist starts to look at the analysis which will help the family to maximize after-tax income, and to create a sustainable cash flow plan moving forward.   By the time the Financial Specialist is ready to share the tax analysis behind this planning, the divorcing couple needs to move beyond any “fight, flight or freeze” thinking into the frontal cortex of their brains, to make the best decisions possible, which will stand the test of time and be a stable solution for the entire family.

So, it’s important to recognize that while the pleasure which might be felt in plotting revenge against a spouse who has rejected you may feel good, and be a normal and perfectly human reaction, it may not meet overall goals for the long-term future.   Showing “respect” in divorce is not about being a wimp or pushover.  It’s about being as smart as you can be, and getting the smartest result possible for everyone in the family.

It doesn’t do much good to focus on an unbalanced solution (“winning it all”) if that result creates an unstable situation which does not meet the needs of children in both homes, and in consequence, the needs of both parents as well.  In those unbalanced “solutions”, couples frequently end up back in court, again and again, in chronic conflict, which drains resources and genuinely creates an adverse impact on children, for whom even 2 or 3 years can feel like a lifetime of parental battles.

It’s up to the couples themselves to forsake the momentary bliss of revenge and instead focus on a long term solution for the future.  Revenge is a tempting choice – and a habit that can be hard to break even once terrible consequences hit home.

Judy Johnson
Collaborative Team Divorce Attorney
Judith _ h _ johnson @ Hotmail.com | 952-405-2015
collaborativedivorceminnesota.com

With more than 47 years in private practice, Ms. Johnson has built a respected career dedicated to helping families navigate legal transitions with clarity, dignity, and care.

She began her career in a mid-sized Minneapolis law firm where she was immersed in a broad general practice, gaining experience in real estate, civil rights, professional license defense, personal injury, juvenile and family court, criminal law, and probate. This diverse foundation shaped her comprehensive understanding of how legal issues intersect—ultimately guiding her toward a focus on family law and alternative dispute resolution.

After many years practicing contested litigation, Ms. Johnson transitioned in 2005 to Collaborative Team Divorce. This shift reflected her growing conviction that families benefit most from a “family systems” approach—one that prioritizes healthy adjustment for parents and children as they transition into two homes. Since then, she has devoted her work to collaborative practice, helping clients reach thoughtful, durable agreements outside of court. She remains of counsel with Speeter and Johnson in downtown Minneapolis.

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CLI-MN Board and Member Retreat

Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2026
Location: Colab Suites | 7650 Edinborough Way, Edina, MN 55435
Training Room #330
Who: 2026 Board Members and all CLI Members
Menu: AM refreshments and buffet lunch
Time:
2026 Board Members Only | 9:00 AM – 12:00 PM

8:30 AM – 9:00 AM | Morning Refreshments
9:00 AM – 12:00 PM | CLI 2026 Board of Directors Planning Session

All CLI Membership Welcome | 12:00 PM – 4:00 PM
12:15 PM – 12:30pm Lunch served
12:30 PM – 4:00 PM | CLI Board and Members

No fee to attend
RSVP requested for planning and food & beverage counts

Janna Hefty | janna@harmonylegalmn.com
Katrina Viegas | kviegas@btolawyers.com
Sandy Beeson | cli@collaborativelaw.org

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Date: September 11, 2025
Time: 9:00 AM-12Noon
Location: 3601 W. 76th St., Edina, MN 55435, Training Room #25
Who should attend: CLI members who have taken the NCE training within the last three to five years.
Continuing Education Credits: CE may or may not be available for this training.
No fee to attend, but registration is appreciated.
Description: The tune-up training session will be based on a survey of attendees to learn where they feel additional instruction would be most helpful.
Training Committee Chairs:
Louise Livesay-Al | louise@thelawshopmn.com
Rebecca Randen | rebecca@randenlaw.com

For questions on registration contact: Sandy Beeson: cli@collaborativelaw.org

 

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Dates: Three full-days basic training + Tune-up in September.
Thursday, April 16, 2026 (Happy Hour end of day Thursday scheduled for attendees at location TBD)
Friday, April 17, 2026
Friday, April 24, 2026
Time: 8:30-4:30 (Detailed timing and agenda TBD)
Location:  7650 W 76th St, Training Room #330, Edina, MN 55435

*Attendees must attend all sessions in order to complete the training and satisfy CLI membership requirements.

Attendance Fees:
Members of CLI MN:
CLI MN members who have NOT taken this training before:
 $350
CLI MN members who have taken this training but would like a refresher: $150 (Please email cli@collaborativelaw.org for your registration code for this pricing.)
CLI MN Student members: $200.00
CLI MN Emeritus and Annual Partners: $0.00

Non-CLI MN members: $645
Not a member of CLI MN? (You will have the option of joining CLI MN and attending the basic training for $300)
Student – Not a member of CLI: $200

**Discount Code: If you have a discount code to attend the training, you will enter it prior to checking out.

Continuing Education Credits: Pending approval of 18 Standard credits for: CLE, Board of Psychology, and LMFT. A certificate of attendance for self-filling of other credentials will also be provided.

Cancellation: Refunds for registration will be processed if notice of cancellation is received by April 10, 2026.

Note: If fewer than five registrants sign-up for the training, the training will be cancelled and paid registrants will be refunded. Deadline to register is April 10th.

Description:
Day I: Training on collaborative practice principles and fundamentals, the roles of the professionals on the interdisciplinary team, the paradigm shift, protocols of practice, the road map to resolution, and ethics.
Day II:
A demonstration of the collaborative model, one involving a neutral coach/facilitator through performances of 13 vignettes depicting a full-team collaborative case from start to almost finish. The vignettes will give detailed insight into the roles of the neutral coach/facilitator, both attorneys, the neutral child specialist, and the neutral financial professional. The different clients in the vignettes present the team with challenging legal, relational, financial, and parenting issues. The performance will be instructive, practical, and hopefully, inspirational. Day 2 is informative for the experienced collaborative practitioner as well as the new collaborative practitioner.

Day III: Focuses on completing a case, advocacy, and ethics in the Collaborative process, what happens when you hit bumps in the road, talking to clients about this process, connecting with your profession and resources to build your practice.

Educational Level: Advanced

Tune-Up Training: September 17, 2026, 9:00 AM – Noon will be based on a survey of attendees to learn where they feel additional instruction would be most helpful. (This follow-up session may or may not be additional CE credits.)

Training Committee Chairs:
Louise Livesay-Al | louise@thelawshopmn.com
Rebecca Randen | rebecca@randenlaw.com
For questions on registration contact: Sandy Beeson: cli@collaborativelaw.org

 

 

In this episode of the Minnesota Collaborative Divorce Podcast, hosts Judy Johnson and Jennifer Morris welcome Käri McGuire, Senior Client Service Associate at AJW Financial. Käri brings years of experience supporting families through the collaborative divorce process and offers clear, compassionate insight into what makes this approach so effective.

Käri breaks down the role of the financial neutral and how preparation plays a critical part in keeping families organized and focused throughout the divorce process. She discusses the emotional and financial benefits of working as a team and how collaborative professionals help families feel supported during one of life’s most challenging transitions.

For those considering divorce, this episode is a valuable introduction to a respectful, family-focused alternative to litigation. Käri shares practical guidance for individuals looking to take a more peaceful and intentional approach to separation and highlights why collaboration can lead to healthier long-term outcomes.

This episode is ideal for legal professionals, mental health providers, financial advisors, and families exploring a different way to move forward through divorce.

Free Webinar
Event: Collaborative Law Process 101 | Webinar
Date: September 24, 2025
Time: 12:00 PM- 1:00PM
Speakers:
Jillian Lydell – Certified Trauma Informed Divorce, Divorce Recovery Coach
Lauren Schnobrich, Attorney
Description:
Overview of the collaborative law process and special considerations for practitioners
Attendance fee: Free
Who should attend this event?:
This is a community event for people who are interested in learning more about the collaborative process.
Join Zoom Meeting:
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Meeting ID: 896 0739 9308
Passcode: Divorce
Event contacts:
Jillian Lydell, Certified Trauma Informed Divorce, Divorce Recovery Coach
jillian@cultivatingjoycoach.com
Lauren Schnobrich, Attorney | lauren@schnobrichstreit.com

Sponsored by the Collaborative Law Institute of Minnesota: www.collaborativelaw.org

What: CLI Minnesota Forum 2025
Dates & Times:
Thursday, December 4, 2025 

Friday, December 5, 2025
Location: Delta Marriott NE | 1330 Industrial Blvd. NE, Minneapolis, MN 55413
Speakers: Tim Crouch, Camille Milner, Sebastian Dziuk, Panel of CLI Members
Agenda:  Click here

CLI Forum 2025 Committee Chair:
Judy Johnson
| judith_h_johnson@hotmail.com
Committee Members: Deb Clemmensen, Janna Hefty, Dave Jamison, Brittany Pearson, Shaina Praska, Rebecca Randen, Gay Rosenthal, Laura Schultz, Sandy Beeson

Sponsorships are available for the Annual Forum. Click here

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Forum Sponsors 2025
Speaker Sponsors
The Law Shop | 
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Ancona Title & Escrow | 
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Forum Packet Sponsor
Miroslavich Law PLLC |
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Supporting Sponsor
Mill City Appraisals |
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Forum Scholarship Sponsor
Edina Realty | 
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Exhibit Sponsor
Engel & Volkers | 
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Buffet Sponsors
Cultivating Joy | Jillian Lydell
KQ Consulting, LLC | Kirstina Quast
Colab Suites | Kari McGuire
HDV Financial | Carol DeWitt
CrossCountry Mortgage | Jeff Vorlicky

Happy Hour Sponsor
XBrezzo | 
www.xbrezzo.com | Kimberly Miller

Mill City Hot Jazz/Happy Hour Entertainment Sponsor
Randen Law | www.randenlaw.com | Rebecca Randen

Forum Evening Social Sponsor
AJW Financial, Inc. 
www.ajwfinancial.com | Amy Wolff

If you have questions on registration or sponsorship, please call or email CLI Minnesota Admin Sandy Beeson at 952.405.2010 or cli@collaborativelaw.org

 

Webinar Presented by CLI Members Angela Heart & Rebecca Randen

Topic: Collaborative Family Law: When, Why and How to Offer It
Date: Friday, September 12, 2025
Time: 12pm
Event location: Virtual
Speakers:
Rebecca Randen, Family Law and Collaborative Attorney
Angela Heart, Family Law and Collaborative Attorney
Description:
An introduction to Collaborative Law for attorneys looking to expand their family law practice options. Learn what makes collaborative practice unique, when to recommend it to clients, and practical tools for implementation. This session addresses common misconceptions and provides consultation frameworks for presenting collaborative law as part of your comprehensive client services.
Attendance fee:

$15 for MSBA members, $50 for nonmembers, Free for Section Members
Details and registration:

https://mnbars.org/?pg=events&evAction=showDetail&eid=309200

Who should attend this event?:
Attorneys interested utilizing Collaborative Law

 

Exclusively for IACP members, this meeting offers a dynamic forum for current and aspiring practice group leaders, as well as anyone passionate about enhancing their group’s experience. We’ll explore key trends in membership, share successes, and discuss the latest developments in the legislative landscape.

Schedule:
Date: February 4, 2025
Time: 1:00 – 2:00 PM CT

Questions?
Dolores Puppione | info@collaborativepractice.com
IACP Senior Manager of Membership Operations