Visits to the Minnesota Children’s Museum, when my kiddos were little tykes, were the inspiration for these articles.  As a recap, the Museum emphasizes the power of play for children, and lists the following as skills children learn from playing:

  1. Creative thinking
  2. Critical thinking
  3. (Self)-Control
  4. Confidence
  5. Collaboration
  6. Communication
  7. Coordination

In Part 3, we took a deep dive into the 5th skill, collaboration.  Now, we are going to illustrate how grown-ups can utilize the collaborative skills they learned as kids, in a Collaborative Divorce.

As previously mentioned, the Children’s Museum has a board on each of the above skills to illustrate what the skills look like and how parents and teachers can encourage children to grow those skills.  Here’s the board for Collaboration:

In Action – Joining forces to pursue a common goal because two heads are better than one:

  • Adjusting to others’ ideas
  • Showing compassion and sympathy
  • Valuing the contributions of others

You enhance this power of play when you:

  • Encourage children to take on other roles
  • Give them a chance to work through conflict
  • Model cooperative behavior

We can think of many examples of kids learning these skills and working together to build a sandcastle, create a dinosaur army, build a structure with blocks, and so forth.  While divorce is more emotional than building a sandcastle, the skill is incredibly useful in the process.

Adjusting to others’ ideas

Often, divorce is about “he said, she said” but it’s really about accepting that the other person has their own ideas about “things.”  Different ideas, however, may actually have commonalities.  Part 3 defined collaboration as engaging with others positively and productively in pursuit of a common goal.  Although discussing goals, especially shared goals during a divorce seems counterintuitive, it shouldn’t be.  In fact, it’s the foundation of the Collaborative Divorce Process.  Divorcing parents have at least one common, shared goal: to ensure that their kids are ok, and this includes older, even adult children, and relationships.  If the divorcing couple doesn’t have children, they often raise the common goal of having financial security after the divorce.  Most couples have several common goals, but these two are almost, if not always, at the top.  Collaboration in a divorce is crucial to the future well-being of everyone in the family and those relationships going forward.  Adjusting to someone else’s ideas will likely lead to cooperating with the other person in the pursuit of the common (shared) goal.

If a divorcing couple’s tantamount goal is to make sure their kids are ok (and clearly define what “ok” looks like), they can (re)learn how to play nice in the divorce sandbox together.  Guided by their Collaborative Divorce team, the couple will figure out which toys or tools to use or play with in the sandbox, what they want to build or do, and go from there.

Showing compassion and sympathy

I would add or perhaps substitute empathy for sympathy.  Everyone wants to feel understood.  It is a basic human need, and divorcing partners can still feel empathy for each other.  If one spouse wants to receive more savings or cash in the divorce settlement, the other spouse might get irritated by such a request.  But looking at the underlying reason (a stay-at-home spouse wants to finish that college degree) the other spouse should at least be able to acknowledge the “why” behind the “want.”  They don’t need to agree to it right away, but it’s important they put themselves in the shoes of the other to understand what’s behind the goal (being self-sufficient).  Once the couple identifies their common goals, they will quickly figure out that if they cooperate and work together, they can accomplish their common goals.

Valuing the contributions of others

In a Collaborative Divorce, the foundation and anchors of the divorce are created with goal setting and brainstorming.  Final outcomes and decisions are based on underlying interests and values, rather than positions.  Each person’s goals and objectives are illustrated during the first meeting and any of the participants (spouses, attorneys, or neutrals) can ask pointed questions to really get at what is important to each person.

Active listening and thoughtful inquiries are ways to show that the contributions of the other person are valued.  This validation can help the divorcing couple connect in ways that will help them problem solve and move forward with the process.

Now, the magic can happen, and the team can enhance this process by doing any of all of the following: encouraging certain behavior, working through conflict, and modeling cooperation.

Encourage (people) to take on other roles

In a traditional marriage of kids and a stay-at-home and a breadwinner spouse, each spouse needs to rescind some of their historical tasks to fit in some of the other tasks.  For example, if the wife was out of the workforce and at-home with kids, she may not only want to go back to college to finish her degree (or get an advanced degree), but she may need to in order to support herself.  This is a new role for her.  Since she is working through her new role to support herself financially, the breadwinner parent will need to try out his new role by stepping up and taking on more of the tasks related to the children’s needs.  Skilled professionals can help the couple prepare for this new reality, and these new roles.

Give them a chance to work through conflict

Yes, conflict exists even in a Collaborative setting.  In fact, extremely high conflict situations can still utilize Collaboration.  And even if the case is low-conflict, let conflict happen.  The elephant in the room needs to be addressed, and as uncomfortable as it might seem at the time, once the conflict is out there, it usually isn’t as bad as people thought it would be.  Addressing it gets it out there, and often, it will hang in the room for a moment, and then pass through.

Model cooperative behavior

The professional team’s engagement with each other and the divorcing couple is respectful, curious, and helpful.  We are truly rooting for this couple to get to the finish line together, and as unscathed as possible.  Divorce can be viewed as a problem to be solved, rather than a battle to be fought.  All the participants in the case are asked to bring their “higher” selves to the meetings.  Attorneys ask follow up questions to not only their respective clients, but to the “opposing” party.  People can rest assured that the “other” attorney won’t interrogate them – they won’t feel like they are being cross-examined.  No one is deposed, and there are no “gotcha!” questions, just clarifying and follow up questions so the professionals can help the couple navigate and reach post-divorce goals.

If children can collaborate, so can adults

Cooperation, respect, compassion, and empathy all have a space at the Collaborative Divorce table.  It is absolutely a better process for divorcing couples.  It isn’t easy, but divorce in and of itself isn’t easy.  The assumptions going into the process are that people are generally good, want to do right by their kids and have a cordial co-parenting relationship, and move on with their lives.  So instead of paying attorneys to fight in court, divorcing couples work with each other and their legal team to create an outcome that helps the couple move on as individuals, while strengthening family relationships going forward.

About the Author
Audra practices exclusively in the area of conflict resolution, with an emphasis on Collaboration.  She believes Collaboration works best for families with children to help them move forward and thrive.  She helps her clients reframe and change their mindset about the divorce itself, so they can see it as a new beginning.  When she’s not Zooming with colleagues and clients, you’ll likely find Audra cheering on her kids at a various sporting events.

Audra Holbeck, Attorney, Mediator
Holbeck Law
Ph: 651-379-0330
Holbecklaw.com

People sometimes assume I got into divorce real estate because I went through one myself. I didn’t — at least not directly. But after more than 22 years as a traditional Realtor®, I’ve watched enough home sales get tangled up in divorce to know it stays with you. Once you’ve seen it up close, you can’t really unsee it.

What I kept noticing

Early in my career, I treated the word “divorce” in a transaction like any other detail — something to note and move past. If I was representing both spouses in the sale of their home, I approached it the same way I approached any other sale.

It didn’t take long to realize something was missing from that approach.

There was nothing dramatic about it — just a series of quiet signals that this situation called for something different. I watched two people who once trusted each other completely begin second-guessing every number I gave them. I saw a spouse agree to a listing price simply to avoid another argument, not because they believed it reflected the home’s true value. And despite my best efforts to stay neutral, I sometimes found myself perceived as having taken one side over the other. That’s the part that stayed with me.

The training I’d received as a real estate agent simply wasn’t built for this kind of transaction. It assumed a buyer and seller who were largely aligned on the outcome and willing to lean on a real estate professional to guide them there together. Divorce rarely works that way. Both people still need the same facts, the same transparency, the same fair process — but they may no longer be willing to trust the same person to deliver it to both of them at once. That realization changed how I approached these transactions entirely.

The moment it clicked

There was one transaction in particular that changed how I looked at this work. I won’t get into the details, out of respect for the clients — but I watched a couple lose weeks, and a fair amount of goodwill, arguing over what their home was worth.

The value itself wasn’t really the issue. Trust was. Neither of them fully believed I could give an objective opinion without putting a thumb on the scale for the other. I was an experienced agent by that point, but nothing in my training had prepared me for two divorcing homeowners whose interests, emotions, attorneys, finances, and futures were all tangled together in one transaction. I knew how to price a home, market it, negotiate it. Divorce real estate asked for something else entirely.

That experience sat with me for a long time. I remember thinking there had to be a version of this profession built specifically for situations like this one — where the real estate professional’s value isn’t just getting a house sold, but being someone, both people can trust equally when they may no longer trust each other.

That question is what led me to the Ilumni Institute and, eventually, the Certified Divorce Real Estate Expert (CDRE®) designation. Earning it was never about padding a resume or adding a credential to my marketing materials. It was the first time I’d come across training that actually spoke to what I kept encountering in these transactions — real strategy and structure for situations that traditional real estate education simply wasn’t built to handle.

What changed

Becoming a CDRE® didn’t just add letters after my name. It changed how I do the work. Somewhere along the way, I stopped thinking of my role in these cases as “advocating” for one client. Instead, I came to see myself as a trusted neutral advisor — someone both spouses could rely on during a process that was already asking so much of them. It’s a subtle shift, but one that matters more than it might seem. When a home is part of a divorce, decisions about value, repairs, timing, communication, access, and offers can quietly become extensions of the larger conflict, even when none of them would carry that weight in a typical sale.

My job isn’t to choose a side. It’s to bring clarity, consistency, and real estate expertise to a process that can already feel like too much.

I also learned how important it is to work alongside the other professionals involved — family law attorneys, mediators, financial professionals, other neutrals — instead of operating in my own separate lane. The house doesn’t exist apart from the divorce. It touches cash flow, support calculations, debt, equity distribution, and what life looks like for both people once everything is finalized. Recognizing that bigger picture reshaped the way I approach every transaction.

The learning hasn’t stopped, either. For the past three years I’ve continued building on that foundation through the CDRE® Master Program, an advanced track that includes case studies, business planning, and ongoing education focused specifically on divorce real estate. I’ve stayed committed to it because these transactions rarely follow a standard playbook — every case brings its own mix of personalities, finances, legal considerations, and family dynamics. And the more I’ve learned, the clearer one thing has become: my role in divorce real estate isn’t simply to close a transaction. It’s to help ensure the house doesn’t become one more thing two people have to fight about while they’re already navigating one of the hardest transitions of their lives.

Finding Common Ground with the Collaborative Process

One thing I didn’t expect when I started this work was how much respect I’d develop for the collaborative divorce process itself.

There’s real value in bringing together professionals who each know their own lane but are also trained to move toward resolution rather than conflict. The goal isn’t for one side to “win” — it’s to create a process where clients can make informed decisions, with the right expertise in the room at the right time. That mindset closely mirrors how I now approach real estate in these situations. A neutral real estate professional can provide clear, reliable information about the property and the market without adding to the tension, while attorneys handle the legal side and financial professionals manage theirs. Everyone plays a defined role, and when those roles work well together, it’s the clients who come out ahead.

Why I keep doing this work

Divorce real estate isn’t the easiest niche. It asks for more patience, more composure, and a lot more listening than a typical sale. But I keep doing it because I’ve seen what it looks like when it goes right — when two people ending a marriage can still walk away from the house decision feeling like they were both treated fairly. That’s not a small thing. For a lot of clients, it’s one of the only parts of the process that felt calm.

About the Author

Shannon Lindstrom is a Realtor® with RE/MAX Results serving Minneapolis, St. Paul, and the greater Twin Cities, with a specialty in divorce real estate. As a Certified Divorce Real Estate Expert (CDRE®), Shannon helps clients navigate the sale or purchase of a home during divorce, serving as a neutral, informed resource during an often complex and emotional transition.

She works collaboratively with attorneys, mediators, financial professionals, and other members of the divorce team to help preserve home equity, reduce conflict, and support informed decision-making. Known for her direct communication and steady, detail-oriented approach, Shannon provides clients with clarity and confidence when it matters most.

Shannon is also a Certified Military Residential Specialist (MILRES), Military Relocation Professional (MRP), and Veterans Certified Real Estate Agent (VCA), bringing additional expertise to military members, veterans, and their families.

Shannon Lindstrom, Realtor®,
AHWD, CDRE®, GREEN, MILRES, MRP, VCA

RE/MAX Results
Direct: 612-616-9714 | www.ShannonLindstromRealtor.com

 

 

In my last post, on June 10, The Good News About Being Part of the Problem, I wrote about the power of seeing your own contribution to what’s going wrong in your marriage. That’s the first move. But it stays abstract until you know what you’re actually looking for.

In years of sitting with couples, I keep seeing the same handful of patterns show up — dressed differently each time, but built from the same parts. Most people don’t recognize their own until somebody names it for them. So here are eight of the most common, and a story about the one I know best, because it’s mine.

None of these are evidence of a bad partner or a bad marriage. Almost everyone reaches for them trying to feel better, get closer, or fix something that feels broken. That’s the part that surprises people most in my office: the strategy usually starts as an honest attempt to solve the problem. The trouble is that none of them actually work — and most of the time, we’re not even choosing them consciously. They’re old habits: learned in childhood, carried over from an earlier relationship, or just wired into being human when we feel scared, criticized, or unseen. You picked them up somewhere because, once, they got you something. Safety. Distance from pain. A feeling of control. The problem is they were never built for a long-term, two-person system, and inside a marriage, they quietly do more damage than the thing they were meant to fix.

Most Common Losing Strategies in Modern Marriage

  1. Unregulated venting. Everyone has feelings, and every feeling deserves a hearing. But delivered in a thoughtless, harsh, unfiltered way, it becomes hard for your partner to stay open and still listen. The feeling was legitimate. The delivery is what shuts the door. It sounds like unloading everything that’s bothered you for three weeks in one sitting, voice rising as you go, until your partner stops listening and starts defending.
  2. Being right. Arguing about whose version of the truth is correct doesn’t make you and your partner better teammates. It makes you opponents in a debate nobody really wins, even when they do. It sounds like replaying the exact wording of something said two years ago, needing your partner to admit fault before you’ll let the topic go.
  3. Shaming, humiliating, intimidating. Communicating that someone is bad, or a less desirable person. This includes ridiculing someone, mocking, being sarcastic, humoring, patronizing, or being condescending. It sounds like “that was a stupid thing to do,” delivered with a laugh so it can be waved off as a joke if you get called on it.
  4. Controlling or demanding. Unless you’re someone’s boss, or you’ve been invited to weigh in, you can’t really tell another grown person what to do, or not do. The same applies to what to think, feel, or believe. It’s controlling. You might get what you want in the short term, but it will come with a lot of resentment. Requests work a lot better than demands. It sounds like “you need to call your mother back today” instead of “would you be willing to call your mother today?” Same request. Very different reception.
  5. Telling an adult what he or she thinks. We can only speak for ourselves, and know what we alone think and feel. We cannot know that for another person, and it almost always triggers the other person when we make this assumption. It sounds like “you don’t actually care about this” or “you’re just saying that to avoid the real issue” — narrating someone else’s inner life as though you have access to it.
  6. Covert contracts. This is the one I know best, because it’s mine. A covert contract is an agreement you make in your own head and never actually say out loud — then hold your partner to anyway. It sounds like nothing at all, because it’s silent: doing the dishes every night for a month, waiting for it to be noticed and reciprocated, and quietly building a case against your partner when it isn’t.

I’m a classic pursuer. There’s a part of me — an adaptive child, formed long before I ever sat across from a couple in therapy — that wants every moment to feel meaningful and powerful. I love validation. I go looking for it, and when I don’t find it, I go looking harder.

For a long time, that meant criticizing my wife, quietly and not so quietly, for not giving me the feedback I was chasing. I’d do something thoughtful, or bring something up that mattered to me, and then wait — scanning her face, her tone, her timing, for the specific kind of enthusiastic acknowledgment I was hoping for. When it didn’t come in the form I wanted, I told myself I wasn’t being seen. I never actually said what I wanted, at a good time, in plain language. I just expected her to know, and held it against her when she didn’t. That’s a covert contract, textbook — terms she never agreed to, penalties she didn’t know she was risking.

What changed things wasn’t her. It was learning to sit back, let things happen, and focus on what I can do to love well, instead of what I’m getting back and grading. I also had to actually learn how she shows love, which looks almost nothing like what I was scanning for — steadier, quieter, less about the big meaningful moment and more about consistency I’d been too busy scorekeeping to notice. We argue less now. Not because the pattern disappeared entirely — I don’t think these things fully disappear — but because I catch it sooner, and I stopped holding her to a contract I never let her read.

  1. Retaliation or punishment. Punishing your partner through the silent treatment, insults, control, or manipulation will not heal wounds. It only makes them deeper. It sounds like going quiet for two days after a fight, not because you’re regulating, but because you want them to feel the cold.
  2. Withdrawal, avoidance, ignoring. Pulling back, avoiding the hard parts, or checking out completely may feel safer at first, but it makes it very hard to actually fix the problem. It sounds like “let’s just drop it,” said in a tone that means the opposite of resolution — the topic isn’t dropped, it’s buried.

These strategies rarely show up alone, and almost nobody uses just one. They tend to pair off, too. A pursuer chasing validation often ends up across from a partner who withdraws to get some room. Someone who demands and controls often meets someone who shuts down to avoid the fight altogether. One person’s unregulated venting can be the very thing that trains their partner toward retaliation or the silent treatment. You end up with two people, each convinced the other one started it, both technically right, and both still stuck.

They also show up because they used to work, somewhere, for someone — even if they’re not serving you or your marriage well now. A kid who got shamed into compliance learns that shame gets results. A kid who got the silent treatment learns that withdrawal is how you cope with conflict, or how you win it. None of that makes the strategy okay in your marriage today. But it does make it human, and worth some compassion as you look at it.

None of this is about which one of you is worse. It’s the same lesson as last time: once you can see the strategy clearly, you have something real to work with. Not more effort aimed at your partner. More clarity aimed at yourself.

Naming It Is the First Step, Not the Last

Reading this list and recognizing yourself in it is useful. It’s also not the same as changing the pattern. These strategies got wired in over years, sometimes decades, and they don’t unwind just because you can now put a name to them. Under stress, in the actual moment a hard conversation starts, most people default straight back to whatever strategy they know best — right up until they’ve had real practice doing something different.

That practice is most of what happens in couples therapy. Not lectures about communication, but an actual place to slow the moment down, catch the strategy as it starts, and try the alternative with someone in the room who can help you both see it clearly. It’s a lot easier to change a covert contract, or unregulated venting, or the instinct to withdraw, when you’re not doing it alone.

If you recognized yourself in one of these strategies, or you’re not sure which kind of conversation you’re ready for, I’d be glad to talk.

About the Author

For more than 25 years, Brian Burns has worked with adults navigating relationship crisis — couples questioning whether to stay together, parents struggling to co-parent after divorce, and individuals uncertain whether therapy can still help. Brian is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and founder of MN Relationship Repair in Woodbury, Minnesota, specializing in couples therapy, Discernment Counseling, Collaborative Divorce coaching, and co-parenting support.

He is especially known for helping couples on the brink of divorce navigate conflict, infidelity, emotional distance, and long-standing relationship patterns. Some arrive hoping to repair the relationship; others are uncertain whether repair is possible. Brian helps couples slow down, better understand what is happening between them, and make thoughtful, informed decisions about their future.

Brian is trained in multiple models of couples therapy and Discernment Counseling. He has served as an Approved Supervisor for the Minnesota Board of Marriage and Family Therapy for more than 20 years and has held leadership roles with the Collaborative Law Institute of Minnesota, including Board Director and Co-President.

A self-described “fan of marriage,” Brian brings both honesty and accountability to his work. He is committed to helping couples strengthen relationships whenever possible and, when separation is necessary, guiding families through the process in healthier ways — especially for children.

Brian regularly teaches therapists, attorneys, and other professionals on marriage, conflict, infidelity, co-parenting, and divorce. Outside the office, he enjoys time with his wife, following the adventures of their four adult daughters, reading, and spending time outdoors.

Brian Burns, LMFT
MN Relationship Repair
brian@mnrelationshiprepair.com | 651-505-3418
https://www.mnrelationshiprepair.com/

 

In Part 1, we discussed how children seem to know how to play, yet they develop important skills through play.  In Part 2, we identified and explored the seven skills children develop through play.  As a refresher, those skills are:

  1. Creative thinking – to consider and experiment with alternatives freely and without fear in any situation.
  2. Critical thinking – to discern knowledge, information, and interest in order to solve a problem, prove a point, or decide what to believe.
  3. (Self)-Control – to interface with and within a bustling society with the ability to manage one’s own attention, emotions, and behaviors.
  4. Confidence– to genuinely believe in one’s own abilities to experience success and satisfaction in not only what one can do, but also what one is willing to try.
  5. Collaboration – to engage with others positively and productively in pursuit of a common goal.
  6. Communication – to take language and literacy (the tools of communication) and use them to exchange information with power and precision.
  7. Coordination – to recognize, use, and appreciate the physical marvels of the human body.

Now, we are going to dive a bit deeper into the 5th skill mentioned above: Collaboration.  Since we are talking about Collaborative Divorce, let’s see how this important skill can positively impact the divorce process.

Webster’s Dictionary defines the verb “collaborate” as follows:

  1. To work jointly with others or together especially in an intellectual endeavor;
  2. To cooperate with or willingly assist an enemy of one’s country and especially an occupying force;
  3. To cooperate with an agency or instrumentality with which one is not immediately connected.

Work together, assist, and cooperate are the common threads.

Collaboration, as a noun, is defined by Webster’s as “the act of collaborating, especially with an enemy or an opposed group rather than struggling or resisting.”

Finally, what does it mean to be collaborative?  Webster’s defines collaborative, an adjective, as “involving or done by two or more people or groups working together: marked or produced by collaboration.”

Now that we have the definition of the various forms, let’s break collaboration down as a verb and look at the definition as it relates to divorce. 

To Collaborate:

  1. To work jointly with others, especially in an intellectual endeavor. Collaborative Divorce requires working with your spouse and your spouse’s attorney, which is an intellectual endeavor, to be sure.  If human beings begin to learn this skill in early childhood (a child trade’s a toy truck for a motorcycle) then adults can surely negotiate the exchange of more cash for less retirement, for example. 
  2. To cooperate with or willingly assist an enemy of one’s country and especially an occupying force. Yes, a traditional, contentious, winner-takes-all divorce would pit the soon-to-be divorced couple squarely in opposite corners of the ring.  The marital partnership quickly devolves to enemies in mortal combat.  Nonetheless, if the marital “enemies” can reframe their thinking and work together, they can create an outcome better than any court imposed solution.  This paradigm shift would allow the soon-to-be former spouses to work together for their own benefit, i.e., I’ll scratch your back, if you scratch mine.  Or in divorce terms, “You can have the Waterford crystal since your family is from Ireland, and I’d like the Wedgewood dinnerware since I have family in England.”
  3. To cooperate with an agency or instrumentality with which one is not immediately connected. The emotional bond of marriage no longer exists, and while the couple is still married, the disconnection from a legal perspective is imminent.  While the couple may think they have no reason to continue their relationship, their cooperation during the process sets the tone for the first step in their “new life.”  Collaborating rather than litigating and fighting is crucial to moving forward, particularly if they have children.

While the idea of learning how to and implementing collaborative skills as a child to get a certain toy seems counterintuitive, and downright outlandish in divorce, deep down we know it makes sense.  How often did you hear growing up, “You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.”  Divorce (and society in general) is drenched in vinegar.  It’s time for honey (or sugar).  There’s nothing wrong with being nice.  We teach young children to play nice, and we want them to be nice.  Let’s also set that standard for adults. 

In Collaborative Divorce, not only do the spouses work together, but the entire team, including the attorneys, works together.  We are all…nice.  (Pass the honey, please.)  It really does work.  When the focus is on accomplishing a common goal and everyone brings their best self and creative energy to the room, great things emerge.  Settlements not only happen, but they are created in a healthier, calmer space.

Collaborating in divorce is a paradigm shift, no doubt.  Our society loves a good legal drama and War of the Roses is no exception.  However, if young children understand the importance of cooperation and collaboration even when they don’t agree, grown-ups surely can muster the wherewithal to be respectful to their spouse in the process.  The partners can choose to reframe the divorce so that common interests and goals can be achieved by both partners in divorce.

Part 4 will take a deeper dive into the above, as it relates to the mindset of collaborating during divorce.

About the Author
Audra practices exclusively in the area of conflict resolution, with an emphasis on Collaboration.  She believes Collaboration works best for families with children to help them move forward and thrive.  She helps her clients reframe and change their mindset about the divorce itself, so they can see it as a new beginning.  When she’s not Zooming with colleagues and clients, you’ll likely find Audra cheering on her kids at a various sporting events.

Audra Holbeck, Attorney, Mediator
Holbeck Law
E: aholbeck@holbecklaw.com
Ph: 651-379-0330
Holbecklaw.com

I hear some version of this almost every week:  “I’ve tried everything. Nothing works. I don’t think it even matters.”

The person sitting across from me is genuinely exhausted. Not “we had a rough month” exhausted. I mean battle-worn, hope-thinning, seriously-wondering-why-they-bother exhausted. They’ve read the books. They’ve had the hard conversations — or tried to. They feel invisible in their own relationship.

And they’re not wrong that something is broken.

But here’s the thing I notice pretty quickly. While they can describe their partner’s patterns in precise detail — the dismissiveness, the defensiveness, the way every serious conversation somehow becomes about something that happened in 2019 — they don’t have a clear enough picture about what they themselves do when things go sideways. And they don’t yet fully see how much influence they still have over the part they do control.

Which is exactly where the work gets interesting.

I’m thinking about one man who came in certain that his wife simply didn’t really care about working on things. He’d tried bringing it up calmly. He’d tried not bringing it up at all. He’d started doing more around the house, planning date nights, being more patient. Nothing shifted. She was the problem. He had tried everything.

When I asked what happened in the moments things got tense, he paused.

“I get loud, sometimes,” he said. “I have a tone. I know I do. And then she shuts down completely.”

He knew this wasn’t helping. What he hadn’t quite seen was that his escalation and her shutdown were a perfectly matched pair. They had built a very efficient system together — one that left both of them exhausted and neither of them heard.

He had spent months trying to change her. He had not spent enough time thinking about his half of the equation, and just as importantly, knowing what real accountability looks like.

This is not about blame. Let me be clear about that.

Relationships in distress usually have two people doing their best with a limited set of tools. Some people go silent to avoid making things worse. Some push hard because staying quiet feels like surrendering. Some run the kindness campaign — all the right gestures, all the considerate moves — but never actually say the true things that need to be said. Too aggressive. Too passive. Too careful.

And most people are carrying some resentment they haven’t fully named. Maybe they’ve told themselves it’s fine. Maybe they’re afraid of what saying it out loud would mean. But resentment doesn’t stay quiet. It seeps into ordinary moments. A tone of voice. A flicker of something cold before you’ve even opened your mouth. The benign question that somehow lands like an accusation. Resentment corrupts.

Your partner feels that. Even if they can’t name it.

Here’s why all of this matters — and why I call it power.

When you can see your own patterns clearly, you have something real to work with. Not more effort. Not more trying. More clarity.

Maybe you realize you’ve been avoiding the real conversation because you’re terrified of the answer. Maybe you see that you’ve been keeping score instead of building trust. Maybe you recognize that your forcefulness isn’t strength — it’s fear in a louder outfit.

That awareness changes the game. Because now you know what to actually change.

And that clarity does something else, too. It helps you be truly accountable and make better decisions about what comes next.

Some people do this work and discover they haven’t actually done their part yet. There’s still something to try. They stop working harder and start working smarter.

Others do this work and realize something different: they have already changed. They’ve grown, shifted, tried things that mattered — and they’re still running into the same wall. That realization doesn’t feel good. But it’s useful. It gives them the confidence to make a different kind of decision — one they can stand behind, not one they’ll second-guess for years.

Either way, you leave with something more than you walked in with.

The couples who stay stuck longest are usually the ones who have become experts on each other’s faults and strangers to their own.

It’s an understandable mistake. Pain has a way of narrowing our focus. When we’re hurting, we look outward for explanations.

But the only part of this story you can actually rewrite is yours.

That’s not a limitation. That’s the beginning of the real change.

If any of this resonates with where you are right now, I’d be glad to talk.

About the Author

For more than 25 years, Brian Burns has worked with adults navigating relationship crisis — couples questioning whether to stay together, parents struggling to co-parent after divorce, and individuals uncertain whether therapy can still help. Brian is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and founder of MN Relationship Repair in Woodbury, Minnesota, specializing in couples therapy, Discernment Counseling, Collaborative Divorce coaching, and co-parenting support.

He is especially known for helping couples on the brink of divorce navigate conflict, infidelity, emotional distance, and long-standing relationship patterns. Some arrive hoping to repair the relationship; others are uncertain whether repair is possible. Brian helps couples slow down, better understand what is happening between them, and make thoughtful, informed decisions about their future.

Brian is trained in multiple models of couples therapy and Discernment Counseling. He has served as an Approved Supervisor for the Minnesota Board of Marriage and Family Therapy for more than 20 years and has held leadership roles with the Collaborative Law Institute of Minnesota, including Board Director and Co-President.

A self-described “fan of marriage,” Brian brings both honesty and accountability to his work. He is committed to helping couples strengthen relationships whenever possible and, when separation is necessary, guiding families through the process in healthier ways — especially for children.

Brian regularly teaches therapists, attorneys, and other professionals on marriage, conflict, infidelity, co-parenting, and divorce. Outside the office, he enjoys time with his wife, following the adventures of their four adult daughters, reading, and spending time outdoors.

Brian Burns, LMFT
MN Relationship Repair
brian@mnrelationshiprepair.com | 651-505-3418
https://www.mnrelationshiprepair.com/

 

In Part 1, we talked about how kids just seem to know how to play, and consequently, they develop important skills through play.  As previously mentioned, the Minnesota Children’s Museum in St. Paul has an exhibit, “Seven Powers of Play” where kids create, tinker, and discover, and acquire those skills.  As we become adults, work replaces play, and perhaps some of those skills we learn as children fall to the bottom of our toolbox.  Life happens, but in a divorce, those skills can be THE tools needed for changing your mindset and creating not only a healthy divorce process but a rewarding life post-divorce. 

Those skills are:

  1. Creative thinking
  2. Critical thinking
  3. (Self)-Control
  4. Confidence
  5. Collaboration
  6. Communication
  7. Coordination

Let’s identify them, dig them out, and polish them up.

Creative thinking – to consider and experiment with alternatives freely and without fear in any situation.

This is the paradigm shift and brainstorming phase of the Collaborative Process.  The couple can (literally) shout out their goals and ideas for how they’d like the divorce to move forward and their family life to flow as they uncouple.  For example, what do they want co-parenting to look like both short-term and long-term?  Do parents really need to stay in their on-duty parenting lane, or could they celebrate holidays together?  Contrary to the “typical” divorce and cultural expectations, perhaps they gather for family meals (yes, even after they are divorced!) weekly or monthly.  They stretch their creativity to what they need and want without fear of what society expects of them during and after their divorce. 

Critical thinking – to discern knowledge, information, and interest in order to solve a problem, prove a point, or decide what to believe. 

After brainstorming, those critical thinking skills are put to the test.  Divorce is a set of issues to be addressed and solved, not a war to be fought and won (or lost).  After all the information is gathered and various options created, the couple analyzes and discerns the best outcome and option for their family unit going forward.  It’s not about who is getting more of the pie; rather, it’s looking at the various parts of the pie and determining which part is preferred.  (I’ll take a buttery graham cracker crust over the Frech silk/chocolate mousse filling anytime.)   

Self-control – to interface with and within a bustling society with the ability to manage one’s own attention, emotions, and behaviors. 

We know what it looks like for a toddler to throw a tantrum, and it takes years of patience (and not giving in to that tantrum) for a child to self-regulate.  During a divorce, it’s not at all unusual for adults to completely lose their cool.  Divorce is emotional, frustrating, and it feels devastating.  We are human and it’s ok to be angry during this time.  Adults, however, need to muster their will to utilize the pre-frontal cortex of the brain, and respond, rather than react, to the situation.  Collaborative professionals can help create a safe space for the couple, and a trained divorce coach can help them regulate their emotions and get them back on track. 

Confidence – to genuinely believe in one’s own abilities to experience success and satisfaction in not only what one can do, but also what one is willing to try.

Often, the Collaborative Process helps the couple parent their kids better.  When parents focus on the future and how a structured, yet flexible parenting plan can work for everyone, their ability to co-parent not only increases their confidence for their future but helps them improve their overall self-esteem.  When they feel like they are “doing good” by their kids, everyone wins, and confidence improves.  Clients have reached out to me a year or more after the divorce to tell me their co-parenting relationship is better than they ever imagined it could be.     

Collaboration – to engage with others positively and productively in pursuit of a common goal.

Believe it or not, a divorcing couple has at least one common goal: to ensure that their kids are ok.  Most couples have several common goals, but the foregoing is always at the top.  Even if they have adult children, divorcing couples want to at least be comfortable seeing their former spouse at a family event, like a graduation or wedding.  Collaboration in a divorce is crucial to the future well-being of everyone in the family.  We will dive deeper into this skill in Part 3. 

Communication – to take language and literacy (the tools of communication) and use them to exchange information with power and precision. 

Shifting communication and using “I” statements is a simple, yet powerful tool for everyone to utilize.  We all need to take ownership of what we say.  If something comes out sideways, common sense dictates clarifying and apologizing.  Nothing can change the energy in a room like a sincere apology.  While that communication style, which might have been lost during the marriage, can be (re)learned, the professionals on the case open the meeting with expectations for everyone.  The goal is that the couple will learn more productive ways of communicating in the future.

Coordination – to recognize, use, and appreciate the physical marvels of the human body.

I view coordination as a child’s ability to learn and use both large muscle and fine motor skills. Picture the early walker looking like Frankenstein Baby with arms held out and an awkward gait, but wearing the biggest, proudest grin on that precious face.  Or a child learning to skip or ride a bike: they try, fall down, and get back up and do it again.  Eventually, they ride without falling down, and skip with smooth strides.  For adults, this can mean recognizing when they are going to “lose it” and taking a few deep breaths to slow their breathing and heartrate.  This deeper dive into learning about the sympathetic nervous system and the fight, flight, or freeze response, which relates to the ability to self-regulate, as noted above, can be critical during times of stress.  It’s amazing what the human body can achieve.

While it might come as a surprise that the above skills are learned through play during childhood, it shouldn’t be a surprise these skills are vital for healthy adulthood.  Sometimes a marriage doesn’t work.  But that doesn’t mean the people in that marriage don’t work or are somehow broken.  Is it possible the above skills were lost or forgotten?  Yes.  But now is the time to find them, brush up on those skills, and perhaps relearn how to use them. 

About the Author
Audra practices exclusively in the area of conflict resolution, with an emphasis on Collaboration.  She believes Collaboration works best for families with children to help them move forward and thrive.  She helps her clients reframe and change their mindset about the divorce itself, so they can see it as a new beginning.  When she’s not Zooming with colleagues and clients, you’ll likely find Audra cheering on her kids at a various sporting events.

Audra Holbeck, Attorney, Mediator
Holbeck Law
E: aholbeck@holbecklaw.com
Ph: 651-379-0330
Holbecklaw.com

By the time many couples reach my office, they are exhausted. Not “we’re struggling to communicate” exhausted. I mean sleeping-on-the-couch, avoiding real conversation, reading lawyer reviews, terrified for the kids, Googling-apartments-at-1:00-AM exhausted.

Often one person, for the first time, is thinking seriously about divorce, while the other is desperately trying to save the marriage. They are sitting on the same couch but 1000 miles apart in their minds. This is one of the darkest moments in a relationship — and one of the hardest situations for therapists to treat well.

Both clients and many couples counselors assume the same thing: if we’re not fully committed to fixing this, what’s the point of seeing a therapist? Others think, “I’ve already tried so hard for so long. I can’t survive trying one more time only to end up back in the same hopeless place again. It will kill me.” And traditional couples therapy often assumes something that simply isn’t true: that both people are equally committed to repairing the relationship.

But many couples are not walking into therapy with a shared agenda. One spouse may be leaning toward the exit while the other is leaning hard toward repair. Underneath that imbalance is usually a painful combination of fear, grief, anger, guilt, hope, and emotional exhaustion — a complexity that deserves to be taken seriously, not rushed past.

In other words: not exactly ideal conditions for “communication skills.”

I remember one husband saying to me:

“I feel like we’re showing up to two completely different meetings.”

Honestly, he was right.

One partner wanted clarity about whether the marriage still had life in it. The other wanted reassurance that divorce was off the table. Those are very different goals, and when therapists miss that reality, sessions can quickly turn into emotional tug-of-war matches.

One spouse feels pressured. The other feels abandoned. The therapist feels stuck. Nobody leaves hopeful.

This is one reason I’ve come to deeply value the Discernment Counseling model. In this approach, the first task is not fixing the marriage, but helping people slow down enough to get clear about what they want to do — and how to do it thoughtfully. That may sound obvious, but emotionally overwhelmed couples rarely slow down on their own. Humans under threat tend to do one of three things:

  • fight
  • flee
  • demand immediate certainty

Unfortunately, major relationship decisions made from panic and desperation are not always the wisest ones.

What Discernment Counseling offers instead is something deceptively simple: a structured pause. A space where neither person is pushed toward a predetermined outcome, but the chance to learn what’s possible for the future.

Some marriages end. Some marriages heal. Some couples realize they need a structured attempt at repair before they can make a final decision with any confidence. Discernment Counseling doesn’t tell you which path to take. It helps you figure out which path actually fits your situation, your history, and your values — and then move forward with intention rather than panic.

One of the most meaningful shifts I see in this work happens when couples stop arguing about the outcome and start becoming curious about the story. How did we get here? What happened between us? What did each of us contribute? What could we do differently if we chose to try? Those conversations feel very different than: “Are we staying together or not?”

And strangely enough, when people stop trying to force immediate resolution, clarity often becomes easier to find.

I sometimes tell couples:   “You do not have to decide the rest of your life this week.”

You can almost feel the nervous systems in the room exhale.

Because couples at this stage are often experiencing what I think of as emotional smoke inhalation. Visibility is poor. Everyone is reacting to pain. When people are scared, they tend to either grip tighter or run faster — and neither response reliably produces wisdom.

The antidote isn’t pressure. It isn’t forced positivity. It’s being genuinely understood in the middle of the mess, and having a process that can hold the complexity of what you’re actually facing.

Even at a relationship’s darkest hour, clarity is still possible. Sometimes reconciliation is too. But both become more likely when couples feel truly heard rather than managed — and when they’re given enough space to move from reactive to reflective.

That kind of space is hard to find on your own. It’s what this work is for.

If any of this resonates with where you are right now, I’d be glad to talk. You don’t have to have it figured out before you call.

About the Author

For more than 25 years, Brian Burns has worked with adults navigating relationship crisis — couples questioning whether to stay together, parents struggling to co-parent after divorce, and individuals uncertain whether therapy can still help. Brian is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and founder of MN Relationship Repair in Woodbury, Minnesota, specializing in couples therapy, Discernment Counseling, Collaborative Divorce coaching, and co-parenting support.

He is especially known for helping couples on the brink of divorce navigate conflict, infidelity, emotional distance, and long-standing relationship patterns. Some arrive hoping to repair the relationship; others are uncertain whether repair is possible. Brian helps couples slow down, better understand what is happening between them, and make thoughtful, informed decisions about their future.

Brian is trained in multiple models of couples therapy and Discernment Counseling. He has served as an Approved Supervisor for the Minnesota Board of Marriage and Family Therapy for more than 20 years and has held leadership roles with the Collaborative Law Institute of Minnesota, including Board Director and Co-President.

A self-described “fan of marriage,” Brian brings both honesty and accountability to his work. He is committed to helping couples strengthen relationships whenever possible and, when separation is necessary, guiding families through the process in healthier ways — especially for children.

Brian regularly teaches therapists, attorneys, and other professionals on marriage, conflict, infidelity, co-parenting, and divorce. Outside the office, he enjoys time with his wife, following the adventures of their four adult daughters, reading, and spending time outdoors.

Brian Burns, LMFT
MN Relationship Repair
brian@mnrelationshiprepair.com | 651-505-3418
https://www.mnrelationshiprepair.com/

 

I love museums, and fortunately, so does my family.  When my kids were little, my husband and I often took them to the Minnesota Children’s Museum in St. Paul.  In addition to the exhibits, the Museum has ways for kids to just be.  I loved watching my kiddos create, tinker, discover, and play.  The “Seven Powers of Play,” developed by the Museum, are core developmental benefits that children acquire through play.  As I observed their little imaginations running wild, it struck me (and bears repeating) that we all need to play.  Throughout the Museum, families could discover fun facts, quotes, and ideas, along with boards that listed a separate “power” of play:

  1. Creative thinking – to consider and experiment with alternatives freely and without fear in any situation.
  2. Critical thinking – to discern knowledge, information, and interest in order to solve a problem, prove a point, or decide what to believe.
  3. (Self)-Control – to interface with and within a bustling society with the ability to manage one’s own attention, emotions, and behaviors.
  4. Confidence– to genuinely believe in one’s own abilities to experience success and satisfaction in not only what one can do, but also what one is willing to try.
  5. Collaboration – to engage with others positively and productively in pursuit of a common goal.
  6. Communication – to take language and literacy (the tools of communication) and use them to exchange information with power and precision.
  7. Coordination – to recognize, use, and appreciate the physical marvels of the human body.

So, all of you who are parents, grandparents, aunts, and uncles can appreciate this list, right?  Play is powerful!  In “Our World” a Minnesota “city” is set up in the Museum so the kiddos can shop at the farmer’s market, get packages ready for mailing at the post office, pretend to drive a fire truck, create signs, and so on.  The “Powers of Play No. 5, Collaboration” board really caught my eye in this area.  On it was the following:

Skills in Action:

  • Cooperating with others to identify and pursue a common goal
  • Showing compassion and sympathy
  • Asking thoughtful questions and making connections

Power the Play

  • Encourage children to try out new roles
  • Let a child’s story unfold naturally
  • Add a plot twist: “What would happen if…?

Hmmm…if young children can learn and apply collaborative skills, then surely adults can, right?

So, taking a lesson from the Children’s Museum, we will dive a bit deeper in Part 2 and take these skills and powers to see how they can fit into a Collaborative divorce.

About the Author
Audra practices exclusively in the area of conflict resolution, with an emphasis on Collaboration.  She believes Collaboration works best for families with children to help them move forward and thrive.  She helps her clients reframe and change their mindset about the divorce itself, so they can see it as a new beginning.  When she’s not Zooming with colleagues and clients, you’ll likely find Audra cheering on her kids at a various sporting events.

Audra Holbeck, Attorney, Mediator
Holbeck Law
E: aholbeck@holbecklaw.com
Ph: 651-379-0330
Holbecklaw.com

What: CLI Minnesota Forum 2025
Dates & Times:
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Date: Thursday, September 26, 2024
Title: Collaborative Practice Values and Ethics: Learning from the Mayo Clinic model in using core values to help focus on the needs of clients and their families
Presenter: Judith H. Johnson
Collaborative Practice Attorney – “Resolving Disputes Respectfully”
www.collaborativedivorceminnesota.com
Description of Training
What are the unique practice values and professional ethics that Collaborative Professionals bring to their work with clients and families? How are they similar (or different) from the practice values of the Mayo Clinic model? Collaborative Professionals bring so much heart into their work – how can we be more intentional about using that focus to bring greater value to our work, for the sake of our clients and their families? Part of “going viral” with our service is making sure that client experience is consistently something empowering for them personally, that they feel compelled to share with others – how can consistency in delivering that “viral” service also help to grow our message to couples who need us?
Location:
 3300 Edinborough Way, Edina, MN 55435, 1st Floor Training Room
Time:
12:00 PM Lunch (Optional)
12:50 PM Announcements and introductions
1:00 PM Presentation Begins
2:30 PM Break
2:45 PM Presentation
4:15 PM Presentation Ends
Cost:
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Continuing Education:
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Certificate of attendance for self-filing for LICSW & ADR.

Instructional Materials for Attendees: 

We are also asking, as part of our collaboration with Mayo Clinic Patient Experience this year, that attendees purchase in advance of this training, the little book “Mayo Clinic Values: A Field Guide for Your Journey”, from Mayo Clinic Press
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Who Should Attend: CLI Members, Family Law Professionals
Educational Level: Overview

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